and see now obama has got to go after him. >> stephanie: right. >> and once you get into that situation, then -- then, you know, you can -- it -- it's an all together different thing. it could -- there are some things that could happen that could drastically affect the course of the debate. but now the spotlight is on him -- i'm just hoping joe biden -- the one thing we know that joe biden will show his teeth. i just hope he rips paul ryan to shreds next week. and he likes that. [ laughter ] >> stephanie: but i think you are right, he has been set up perfectly now to do that. maybe the president felt too constrains by -- whether it's being presidential, not making mistakes, you are right, he has to get some of that scrappy challenger that wayne powell showed. >> right. here is -- romney has had 20 to 25 debates this year and barack obama has not had one for four years, and it was obvious he wasn't used to it. his body language was horrible. the fact he dropped his head, and he looked like a whipped dog to me. >> stephanie: uh-huh. >> but they can adjust this. they can fix it and it's li